Gayzine

Gay, HIV-positive and a refugee: A new start in Germany

The war has fundamentally changed the lives of many queer people from Ukraine. Borys Hrachov served as a paramedic himself and now uses DATACHECK Connect to support Ukrainian refugees with HIV care and to help them settle in Germany. In this interview, he talks about his life before the war, the challenges of fleeing and the importance of queer solidarity.

Borys Hrachov is speaking into a microphone at a conference.

Interview

More than 10,000 Ukrainians living with HIV have fled to Germany to escape the war in their home country. The specially developed DATACHECK Connect platform helps them navigate the German healthcare system.
An interview with project leader Borys Hrachov about gay life before and during the war, and the challenges of settling into life in exile.

Axel Schock

Axel Schock | Photo source: (c) Natalia Reich

Questions from
Axel Schock AS
Borys Hrachov

In an IWWIT interview, Borys Hrachov talks about fleeing his home country, HIV and his new start in Germany. Photo: © Borys Hrachov

Answers from
Borys Hrachov Bra

A gay life before the war

AS Axel Schock

Borys, you’ve been living in Berlin for quite some time now. What was your life like before the war?

Bra Borys Hrachov

I worked as a project manager for two major human rights organisations. One was Alliance.Global, which, amongst other things, provides legal assistance to the LGBTIQ community, and the other was an HIV prevention project. Until the Russian invasion, I had been living what I considered to be the best possible life as a gay man. I hadn’t originally planned to join the army, but then everything turned out quite differently. I volunteered at the age of 27 and spent two and a half years working at various levels as a paramedic and in medical support.

Coming to Germany with HIV: New challenges

AS Axel Schock

You are now one of the approximately 1.3 million people who have fled from Ukraine to Germany. Around 10,000 of them are believed to be HIV-positive. Is this figure realistic?

Bra Borys Hrachov

The figure is likely to be significantly higher; unfortunately, it is difficult to determine exact numbers, as many of them were already receiving antiretroviral therapy (ART) or PrEP whilst in Ukraine. And for some, it is easier to stay in touch with their doctors in Ukraine online and receive ART by post than to familiarise themselves with the German system and obtain the necessary medication here. These people living with HIV therefore do not appear in the German statistics.

AS Axel Schock

Is the German healthcare system really that complicated and overburdened with red tape?

Bra Borys Hrachov

At least, that is the reputation it has, which is why many newcomers to the country are put off from getting to grips with it and giving it a go.
If you’re used to the Ukrainian healthcare system, however, there are some significant differences. When it comes to HIV services in particular, the system is very modern and easily accessible. You effectively don’t have to sort anything out yourself. You can actually do everything online and are reminded of appointments, have a taxi booked for you if needed, or have swab kits automatically sent to your home. For people who are used to this all-round service, this takes some getting used to at first. Once you’ve got to grips with the system, it’s not at all difficult to book a doctor’s appointment for PrEP, for example.
However, we mustn’t forget that it is generally difficult for migrants to understand how their host country works. They have to learn everything from scratch, just like a child – how to buy tickets, open a bank account or send post; especially if they were forced to migrate and had to leave their home country without any preparation or planning. Whilst this isn’t particularly complicated in itself, for people who have just arrived – especially in the midst of a war – it can all feel overwhelming at first.

AS Axel Schock

Here in Germany, you’ve been able to continue your work for the queer and HIV communities in Ukraine, albeit under completely different circumstances. You’re now heading up „DATACHECK Connect". How can this project, launched by Deutsche Aidshilfe, help people navigate the healthcare system more easily?

Bra Borys Hrachov

Our idea was, in collaboration with the Ukrainian HIV self-help organisation 100% Life and the National HIV Hotline, to build a sort of bridge between Ukrainian and German services and to explain to people how they can find help in Germany.
To this end, we have built up a large database of medical and social services, as well as the contact details of NGOs and organisations, and translated all the necessary information into Ukrainian. After all, you cannot learn a language in just a few days or weeks, so the language barrier is one of the main communication problems.
We also offer psychological support to people, as many of those who come to Germany suffer from psychological distress caused by war and displacement.

DATACHECK Connect: Support that makes a difference

AS Axel Schock

So how do these consultations take place?

Bra Borys Hrachov

Online via a secure video platform with psychologists joining the session from Ukraine.
We have also set up a chatbot which, whilst very simple, still provides people with basic answers to legal questions. We have programmed it with the most frequently asked questions about entering Germany. Many of these also relate to HIV. For example, whether I’m allowed to work in Germany if I have HIV, whether my visa application could be refused because of my HIV status, and so on.
Another important tool is the translation service. Everyone knows how difficult it is, for example, to get an appointment with a specialist, but it is even harder to find doctors who speak Russian, Ukrainian or English. If the doctor’s appointment has been booked well in advance, we can arrange for interpreters to join the consultation online. This service has already been used a hundred times.

AS Axel Schock

How is „DATACHECK Connect" generally received?

Bra Borys Hrachov

We only went live in mid-May, but around 6,000 people have already used the website in the first three months.

Queer, a refugee, and settled?

AS Axel Schock

How are gay Ukrainians faring in Germany, particularly if they are HIV-positive? Are they managing to get by here? Do they face any particular problems?

Bra Borys Hrachov

I think they’re living a great life: there are no rocket attacks, no bomb alerts. But seriously: I think it’s always complicated when you arrive in another country as a refugee. And it’s even more complicated to be a gay refugee, and if you’re an HIV-positive gay refugee, there are a few extra problems on top of that. Not only do you have to sort out your papers, find a flat and a job, but you also have to organise your HIV treatment. All of this is, of course, a huge burden for these people. But generally speaking, I think Germany is one of the best countries for gay people in Europe. And I believe that Ukrainian gay men who have come to Germany didn’t necessarily expect that.

AS Axel Schock

What could German society – and perhaps the queer community in particular – do to support people from Ukraine?

Bra Borys Hrachov

That’s a complicated question. The very best way to support all Ukrainians would be, for example, to provide financial backing for our military operations against Russia. Of course, that’s rather difficult to put into practice.
If you want to help people in a practical way, the best thing is to support them with their integration. I would have been very glad if, during my first few weeks in Germany, I’d had someone to explain to me how things work here. There are now many organisations that help Ukrainians with basic issues, such as finding accommodation or dealing with paperwork. You can get involved in this area too.

Overview

Topics and sections on IWWIT

Quick access to the most important content on health, sex, the community, advice and campaigns.

Health

Information on protection, testing, HIV, STIs and safer sex.

Gay sex

Articles, information and guidance on all aspects of gay sex.

Queer life

Topics relating to relationships, coming out, the community and life experiences.

Campaigns & Topics

Key areas, initiatives and campaigns relating to queer life, sex and the community.

Service

Other sections, help and information.